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GMA 7 Airs Pacquiao-Marquez III Review

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By Manny Pinol

Television network GMA 7 which carried the epic third fight between Filipino boxing icon Manny Pacquiao and great Mexican counterpuncher Juan Manuel Marquez will air on Sunday, Nov. 27, from 5 to 6 p.m., the first of two parts of the replay and review of the world welterweight championship whose result was disputed by the Mexican’s camp and its followers.

The first part, which will be shown as part of the TV sports show “Game” hosted by Chino Trinidad and Christine Jacobs on GMA News Channel 11, involves the review of the rules of boxing, specifically that of the World Boxing Organization (WBO) which sanctioned the championship fight,  and the scoring system in boxing.

International boxing judge and referee Danrex Tapdasan, a WBO accredited official, and I were invited by GMA 7 to shed light on the finer points of boxing scoring and judging.

Danrex, a young lawyer, brought with him a diagram of the legal punching areas in a boxer’s body to help explain that not all punches that connect will be scored because some of these punches land outside of the scoring area.

In the fight between Pacquiao and Marquez, for example, I pointed out that not all of the punches delivered by Marquez to Pacquiao’s midsection were scored by the judges because a closer review of the video of the fight showed that many of these were parried by the arms of the Filipino champion or landed below the waistline.

Marquez’s punches which hit Pacquiao in the nape were not also scored by the judges because those were not legal hits, never mind if referee Tony Weeks failed to warn the Mexican challenger about those “rabbit” punches.

Danrex emphasized that as a judge, he observes four rules in scoring the fight, namely: 1) effective aggression; 2) clean and hard punching; 3) ring generalship; 4) defense.

Outside of these four rules widely adopted by all world boxing sanctioning bodies, there is the unwritten rule that the challenger must take the fight to the champion and must prove that he deserves to be installed champion by convincingly defeating the defending titlist.

Chino, who earlier agreed to my idea of two panels discussing the fight and providing their perspective on the scoring of each round, said the “Game” episode to be aired tomorrow is a prelude to the replay of the fight next week.

“Let this be an opportunity to educate boxing fans on the finer points of boxing and the rules covering the scoring of the fights,” Chino said.

Next week, Pacquiao-Marquez III will be replayed and reviewed in full but it is a must that boxing fans watch tomorrow’s prelude and listen to the explanations of Danrex, who by the way admits that while he saw the fight as a draw, he could have scored it differently had he been at ringside and fully focused on the fight.

This was precisely the point raised by American boxing writer Don Donatello in an article published in his website which was posted by www.philboxing.com.

Donatello, in a well-written and well-analyzed article, asked those who thought they saw Marquez win: “On what basis?”

He then said how can somebody who was watching the fight while drinking beer, eating peanuts or popcorn and exchanging high fives as the fighters traded punches be more focused that the three people at ringside.

Two of the three judges saw the fight in favor of Pacquiao while the third judge scored it a draw. The Compubox, an instrument operated by two people which recorded the number of punches thrown and landed, including power punches, also had the Filipino boxing icon ahead.

That Pacquiao performed poorly in his third meeting against the brilliant counterpuncher Marquez is a view shared by everybody.

But the claim that Marquez won is simply a denial of available statistics and a defiance of logic.

 

Pacquiao-Marquez III Replay, Review Set Nov. 27

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The replay and review of the third meeting between Filipino boxing icon Manny Pacquiao and Mexico’s great counterpuncher Juan Manuel Marquez has been set by GMA Channel 7 on Nov. 27 with two separate time slots being considered for the airtime.

Chino Trinidad, sports director of GMA Channel 7, sent me a text message yesterday from Los Angeles, California saying that the TV networks executives are deciding on whether to air the replay and review on GMA All Sports from 11 am to 12 noon or in GAME, a program hosted by Trinidad, 5 to 6 p.m. on GMANews TV.

The decision to replay and review the fight was made following my suggestion that the very close Pacquiao-Marquez third fight, while already decided by the three judges as a majority decision victory for the Filipino boxing icon, offers a golden opportunity to educate boxing fans on the finer points of the sport and the largely misunderstood scoring system which has resulted in chaos and controversies in the past.

Following the conclusion of the fight in Las Vegas Nov. 12 (Nov. 13 morning in Manila), not a few Filipino sports analysts and columnists claimed that Marquez was “cheated” and that the Mexican boxing legend should have won the fight in spite of the scoring made by judges Robert Hoyle (114-114), Dave Moretti (115-113) and George Trowbridge (116-112) awarding the fight to Pacquiao.

The scoring of the judges was backed up by the statistics generated by Compubox, a computer counting machine operated by two people at ringside, which recorded the number of punches thrown and connected. The Compubox showed that Pacquiao threw and landed more punches, more jabs and at least 17 more power blows than the Mexican thus affirming the judges’ scoring.

The views and comments stating that Marquez was “robbed” divided the Filipino nation and in one of   the very rare moments in the storied boxing career of Pacquiao, many doubted his victory.

“We owe it to Manny Pacquiao, he who has given the country unprecedented sports honors,” I told Chino Trinidad when I proposed the replay and review of the fight in a Face-Off format where a panel of those who believed Marquez won would sit across the table with a panel of boxing people who believe that Pacquiao was the clear winner.

International boxing judge and referee Dandrex Tapdasan, a young lawyer who has proven to be a very competent judge, and I have volunteered to sit in the panel which, with the aid of the video materials available, will explain why Pacquiao’s victory was well-deserved and that there should be no doubts on the outcome.

I have suggested to Chino that GMA Channel 7 should invite fellow sports journalists Ronnie Nathanielsz, a dear friend, and fellow The Manila Times sports columnist Ed Tolentino, a lawyer. In the absence of the duo, I recommended to Chino that two young bloggers, one a Fil-Am, be invited to fill in, namely Reni Valenzuela of www.philboxing.com and Dennis Guillermo of www.examiner.com who were either very scathing or insistent in their claims that Marquez won.

 

Chino emphasized that the exercise is intended to educate Filipino boxing fans on the finer points of judging and scoring in boxing and not to embarrass anybody or any side.

Let me stress too that this is not an attempt on my part to shame anybody and make the impression that I and Dandrex understand boxing better than the others or that we are more authoritative than other boxing analysts.

While I have not had the pleasure of really getting to know Ed Tolentino well, Ronnie Nathanielsz is a good and dear friend. I had disagreements with him in the past, but these were more of intellectual skirmishes rather than personal feuds.

I do not know whether GMA 7 has extended the invitation to Ronnie and Ed but the two young bloggers have already begged off with Valenzuela saying that he has commitments to his church on weekends and Guillermo has posted blogs saying that there is no point debating with biased Filipino boxing analysts.

This is not a debate. Debates involve oral arguments over propositions and suppositions which are all abstract. This is a review of a factual event seen and perceived differently by people whose appreciation may have been influenced by their biases or the noise and the din.

We will establish what is a legal punch and where it is supposed to land. With that guide, we will determine whether the punches that we saw being thrown by either boxer were scored by the judges or the Compubox.

At the end of the whole exercise, we will not only clear the air and give justice to the rightful winner but also educate the Filipino boxing fans in the process.

This exercise though does not come easy or cheap.

Chino told me that GMA Channel 7 has to allocate a few more million pesos just to be allowed to show the fight again whose rights are owned by Solar Sports.

That’s a lot of money spent simply because some people insist that the judges and the Compubox were wrong.

I believe though that it is money well spent because justice, fairness and the truth are priceless and invaluable.

 

Pacquaio-Marquez III Replay:Let’s Watch And Learn Together

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By Manny “Braveheart” Pinol

All these debates over who won in the third meeting between Filipino boxing icon Manny Pacquiao and Mexican boxing legend Juan Manuel Marquez are exercises in futility because nobody could alter the fact that two of the three judges at ringside saw the 12-round battle in Las Vegas Nov. 12 as a fight won by the defending champion.

That is the decision and not even the camp of Team Marquez which howled “robbery” after the fight had made any attempt to question that before the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) which supervised the fight or the World Boxing Organization (WBO) which sanctioned the championship bout.

In fact, five days after the fight, journalist Butch Gottlieb of Boxing in Las Vegas website and a former member of the NSAC, said no protest has been filed neither was there any attempt to question the integrity of the judges and demand their suspension.

Gottlieb, who also manages woman-boxers in Las Vegas, said the reaction of one NSAC official was: “On what basis? They cannot question how a judge sees a round.”

But this hotly argued fight offers to Filipino boxing fans an opportunity to learn more about the finer points of the sport of boxing and the scoring system which is not fully undestood and appreciated and has, in many previous instances, brought about chaos and confusion.

Journalist Chino Trinidad, sports director of GMA Channel 7 which carried the fight on free TV in partnership with Solar Sports, informed me yesterday that following my suggestion of a replay and review of the fight, he is now in the process of wrapping up a TV show package that would replay the 12-round fight on a round-by-round presentation with two groups of panelists with differing views on the outcome of the fight seated across each other.

This is going to be a great learning exercise because minus the adrenalin flush that usually comes along while watching a fight live on TV, we will be able to calmly review the fight and come up with the definitive conclusion on who really won the fight last Saturday (Sunday in Manila).

Each round will be analyzed and both panels will submit their argument on why either fighter won the round. I have suggested to Chino that critical exchanges of punches between the two fighters be played in slo-mo because on TV, punches which may appear to have connected may yet be seen in slo-mo as having been effectively parried by the arms or landed outside of the legal punching areas of a boxer’s body. Those punches, seen up close by the judges, would not be scored.

International boxing judge and referee Danrex Tapdasan, a young lawyer, and I have volunteered to represent the pro-Pacquiao panel. Danrex and I will prove why the Filipino boxing icon won convincingly in a very close fight.

In fact, I agree with Manila Bulletin sports editor and bosom-friend Ding Marcelo who said that Pacquiao’s win over Marquez in their third meeting was even more convincing and clearer that his two previous victories in Pacquiao-Marquez I and Pacquiao-Marquez II.

To complete the cast, I have suggested to Chino that fellow journalists and dear friends Ronnie Nathanielsz and lawyer Ed Tolentino be invited to represent the panel which believes that the Mexican champion won over Pacquiao.

The big question mark on the appearance of Ronnie and Ed in the show would be whether ABS-CBN, a rival network of GMA Channel 7, would allow their talents to appear in the show which I believe would rate very high among TV viewers because of the controversy generated by the decision.

If Ronnie and Ed could not come, I will suggest to Chino that two young bloggers, one a Fil-Am, who have incessantly insisted in their blogs that Marquez won the fight, be invited to appear in the pro-Marquez panel. They are Reni Valenzuela, who writes for www.philboxing.com and Dennis Guillermo, who writes for www.examiner.com.

Chino, who was thrilled with the idea of a face-off on TV to review the fight, said that the intention of the show is not to embarrass anybody but to learn.

“We owe it to the Filipino boxing fans. They should be given the opportunity to fully understand what happened and learn more about boxing,” Chino told me.

I say we owe it to Manny Pacquiao as well, he who has brought unprecented sports honor to the Philippines by showing that the Filipino can excel. For me, who believes Pacquiao won the fight fair and square and convincingly, it should be done in the name of justice and fairness. Manny does not deserve the insults and the disparaging comments being heaped on him now.

Chino says the show could be aired this weekend and that GMA Channel 7 will make a formal announcement as to the date and the time.

It would also be great if the viewers at home would get a pen and paper and do their own scoring of the fight and see after the replay whether they picked out the right winner during the live telecast.

Danrex will explain the rules on the scoring before the fight and that would guide the home viewers an opportunity to really appreciate the replay and review.

“Walang personalan, katuwaan lang.” Nothing personal, let’s just do it for fun.

As Michael Buffer says: “Let’s get ready to rummmbbbllleee!

 

If The Judges And Computer Erred,Who Could Have Scored It Right?

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BY Manny Pinol

Determining the winner in a boxing bout is not like selecting the new American Idol or choosing the New Seven Wonders of the World where the volume of votes texted in from all over the world is used as the basis in declaring the winner.

Modern boxing employs three people who are given the best seats at ringside and an unhampered view of the action inside the ring. They are tasked to score the fight on a round by round basis using the 10-Point Must Scoring System accepted by all boxing sanctioning bodies.

It cannot be denied that since the three judges are only human, their scoring could be subjective and they could be swayed by the noise of the crowd, especially if the fight is held in the hometown of one of the boxers.

Boxing is replete with stories of corrupt judges who were influenced by the promoters or bribed and came up with decisions contrary to the general public perception of the outcome of the fight.

But not all boxing judges are corrupt. Many of these judges are professionals whose involvement with the sport is all because of their love for boxing.

There are safety measures to ensure that boxing judges do not abuse their authority to choose the winner of the bouts. There is the fight supervisor representing the boxing commission. Erring judges are sanctioned with either suspension or complete banishment from the sport by the commission on the recommendation of the fight supervisor.

Lately, boxing has employed the computer to document the action, keeping track of the punches thrown and punches connected.

While the statistics generated by the computer, conveniently called Compubox, do not have any bearing on the judging and outcome of the fight, the system has proven to be very effective in affirming or contradicting the scoring of the three judges.

When there is a discrepancy between the statistics provided by the Compubox and the scoring of the three judges, it is easy to conclude that the judging is irregular and controversial.

With this premise, is there enough reason to label Manny Pacquiao’s win over Mexico’s Juan Manuel Marquez as controversial and questionable?

The three judges at ringside scored the 12-round epic third battle between Pacquiao and Marquez slightly differently.

Robert Hoyle scored it 114-114, Dave Moretti scored it 115-113 while Glenn Trowbridge had it heavily in Pacquiao’s favor 116-112.

The discrepancy in the scoring of the three judges could be attributed to the fact that they were all seated in three different areas at ringside. What Hoyle saw may not have been seen by Moretti and what Trowbridge witnessed may not have been noticed by the two other judges because of the different vantage points.

If there is anything that the scores of the three judges indicated, it was that the fight was close.

Was the decision to award the fight to Manny Pacquiao after 12 gruelling rounds justified or questionable? Were the judges bought, influenced or coerced?

This is the time when the statistics generated by Compubox could be put to good use.

American sportswriter Gareth A. Davies reported in his column these figures generated by the Compubox which documented the Pacquiao-Marquez III:

1. Punches thrown: Pacquiao - 578; Marquez - 436; Punches connected: Pacquiao - 176; Marquez-138. Pacquiao edged Marquez in this department by 36 punches.

2. Jabs: Pacquiao - 304; Marquez - 182; Jabs connected: Pacquiao - 58; Marquez - 38; Pacquiao edged Marquez in this department by 20 jabs.

3. Power punches thrown: Pacquiao - 274; Marquez - 254; Power punches connected: Pacquiao - 117; Marquez - 100. Again, Pacquiao edged Marquez in this area by 17 power punches.

Looking at these Compubox figures, it is again easy to conclude that the fight was very tight.

But two of the judges saw it as a fight won by Manny Pacquiao and the Compubox statistics do not refute this. In fact, Compubox statistics confirmed that Pacquiao edged Marquez in the entirety of the fight.

It is funny and amusing, however, that some of our fellow sports analysts and sportswriter friends, insist that the judges were wrong and the Compubox is unreliable.

Holy Jesus!

If the judges erred and the Computer is unreliable, who else could give us the correct scores and the right decision?

Unlike basketball where if at the end of the game the scores are 112-111, nobody is expected to complain, scoring in judging involves the subjective perception of three human beings who are designated as judges.

Decisions will always be questioned but that is the way it is in boxing. That is unless the rules are changed by the world boxing sanctioning bodies and boxing adopts the scoring system of the “American Idol” where everybody’s subjective vote will be counted, tallied and thereafter used to declare the winner.

The problem with that though is that it will take sometime before we will know who the winner is. Manny Pacquiao’s deep cut in his right eyebrow would have already healed before his hands are raised in victory.

This is how boxing is scored, this is the rule and this is how the game is played and decided.

If some people think this is wrong and are not comfortable with this, they could always play basketball.

 

PACQUIAO-MARQUEZ III: REPLAYED AND DISSECTED

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By Manny Pinol

In the face of the so-called “controversial” victory of Filipino boxing icon Manny Pacquiao over Mexican boxing legend Juan Manuel Marquez in their third meeting in Las Vegas last Saturday, I suggested to GMA Channel 7 Sports Director Chino Trinidad that the video of the fight should be replayed, dissected round by round and analyzed to finally clear the air of confusion.

Last night, shortly after I arrived in Salinas, California from Las Vegas where I watched the fight live with my brother retired police colonel Patricio and several friends,  I called up Chino to suggest that fellow journalist and television sportscaster Ronnie Nathanielsz, who was reportedly quoted as suggesting that Marquez won the fight, be invited as one of the panelists so that the fight could be intellectually analyzed.

I offered myself to be part of the panel and I hold the firm belief that Pacquiao won the fight.

Chino told me he will convince GMA Channel 7 executives to agree to the proposal and that if it is approved he will air it on Sunday.

The reason why I suggested this to Chino is because I would like to help clear the issue once and for all, in fairness to boxing fans who have been left confused following suggestions that Marquez may have won the fight. Also, it should be done in fairness to Manny Pacquiao who is now being crucified for doing the best he could against a great nemesis.

Dissecting and analyzing the fight on a round by round basis will also help educate boxing fans on the finer points of the judging and scoring of boxing bouts.

I believe that the confusion right now is mainly because of the boxing fans lack of deeper understanding on how boxing bouts are judged and scored.

Boxing is not scored like basketball where the goals are totalled at the end of the fight and the team with the most number of goals wins the match. No controversial scores mainly because the determination of the winner is a product of the exact science of mathematics.

Such is not the case in boxing.

With three judges at ringside to watch and score the fight and a referee in the center of the ring so make sure that no fouls are committed, judging and scoring in boxing is more complicated and involves a lot of human influence and interpretation.

In a 12-round championship bout like the Pacquiao-Marquez III, the fight is judged on a round by round basis with each round judged and scored independently of the other rounds under a 10-Point Must Scoring System. This means that the boxer who wins the round gets 10 while the loser gets 9

Under the existing boxing rules, the fighter who wins the round by virtue of more effective punches connnected, gets a score of 10 points while his opponent gets 9 points. When there is a knockdown, the boxer who scores the knockdown gets 10 points while the loser 8 points. Two knockdowns would be scored 10-7 while three knockdowns would be scored 10-6.

The boxer who wins the round because he threw three more effective punches than his opponent will get 10 points and his opponent 9. If in the next round the other boxer comes back and pummels his opponent with 20 more effective punches but fails to score a knockdown will also earn 10 points and his opponent 9.

At the end of each round, the judges submit their scorecards to the referee who then turns these over to the boxing commission at ringside. The judges then focuses on the next round and would again  judge and score this independently of the previous round.

At the end of the bout, the boxer who wins more rounds on points would automatically win the fight.

Aside from this general rule on the scoring of a boxing bout, there are unwritten rules in judging a fight. First, the boxer who is more aggressive will often get the judges’ nod in a very close round.

The other unwritten rule in a championship bout is that the challenger is supposed to prove that he is better than the champion. If all that he could do is engage the champion is a tight fight, he will fail to convince the judges that he is fit to be crowned champion and that probably all that he would earn would be a draw.

And this brings us back to my proposal to Chino Trinidad.

I believe Manny Pacquiao won the fight fair and square. Anybody who believes otherwise is welcome to dispute my perception on the outcome of the fight.

Let us sit down and intelligently review the fight with the intention of clearing this confusion and of educating Filipino boxing fans on the finer points judging and scoring a boxing match.

Pacquiao Agrees to “Winner Takes All” In Fight against Floyd Mayweather

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By Manny “Braveheart” Pinol

 

Filipino boxing icon Manny Pacquiao, responding to a dare by late night show host Jimmy Kimmel, tonight said he is willing

to face undefeated American boxer Floyd Mayweather, Jr. in a fight where the winner takes all the purse money and the proceeds from the pay-per-view.

Pacquiao initially hesitated in answering the question fielded by Kimmel saying that Mayweather may not be amenable to the idea but when pressed by the TV show host for his reaction to a “Winner Takes All” fight, he relented and said “Yes, of course.”

“I have a solution to settle this issue about the fight between you and Floyd Mayweather. Would you agree to a fight where the winner takes all,” Kimmel asked Pacquiao who appeared in the show for the fourth time.

“I don’t think he will be interested,” Pacquiao said trying to hedge a question that involved about $50-million for each of them about the same amount in shares for the Pay-Per-View or roughly a $200-million bonanza for the fighter who wins the fight should Mayweather agree to meet him in a long anticipated fight dubbed as the Match of the Century.

“Yes. Of course, I will fight him,” Pacquiao said when he was pressed by Kimmel for his own reaction to the idea.

The fight between the two boxing superstars has long been the subject of speculations and negotiations with Mayweather demanding an intensive drug testing for the Filipino boxing icon who he suspects is into Performance Enhancing Drugs (PEDS) because of his almost incredible boxing achievement of rising from the 112 lb. flyweight division to fight in the territory of big boys weighing as much as 147 lbs.

Pacquiao has relented and said he would agree to the drug testing but Mayweather has put forward complicated arguments why he will not take up the fight against the Filipino boxing hero. Recently, the undefeated American took on welterweight champion Victor Ortiz whom he defeated in a controversial 4th round knockout.

The clamor for a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight has intensified again following statements isued by Mayweather’s camp that the American fighter is preparing for a big event in May against the “little fella,” apparently referring to Pacquiao.

In a last night’s show, actor and fellow guest Eddie Murphy who was featured by Kimmel ahead of Pacquiao said it was his dream as a boxing fan to see Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather fight to end all guesses and speculations.

“As a boxing fan who loves the sport and admires both these fighters, I would like to see them fight. Let’s do it,” said the popular comedian.

The fight could yet happen if the latest statements of the Mayweather camp were to be used as a gauge.

But whether or not Mayweather will agree to a Winner Takes All fight remains a $200 million question.

Also, Pacquiao will have to hurdle his third engagement against veteran Mexican warrior Juan Manuel Marquez on Nov. 12 in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Pacquiao hints: It’s Bradley after Marquez

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BRAVEHEART,

Some may call it over-confidence or even arrogance, but for people who have keen business sense, it is just simply forward planning.
Five weeks before he defends his world welterweight title against Mexican Juan Manuel Marquez, Filipino boxing icon Manny Pacquiao hinted Thursday night that his next pugilistic assignment could be the undefeated American Timothy Bradley, Jr., who holds both the World Boxing Organization (WBO) and World Boxing Council (WBC) junior welterweight titles. Continue reading “Pacquiao hints: It’s Bradley after Marquez” »

Gym Janitor Turned World Boxing Champ Inspires Poor Boy TurnedVice President

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By Manny “Braveheart” Pinol

Gym Janitor Turned World Boxing Champ
Inspires Poor Boy Turned Vice President

It is easy for one to understand and draw inspiration from the beauty of the life story of a former gymnasium janitor who became a world boxing champion when he has gone through the pains of poverty and felt the pangs of hunger.

Philippine Vice President Jejomar “Jojo” Binay, who grew up in the squalor of poverty to become the undefeated mayor of Makati and the country’s Vice President, jogged with former world miniflyweight champion Donnie Nietes in Murcia, Negros Occidental last week and was so inspired by the life story of the Negros fighter that he has vowed to help more poor boys rise out of poverty by supporting professional boxing. Continue reading “Gym Janitor Turned World Boxing Champ Inspires Poor Boy TurnedVice President” »

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